Home

The Economic Populist

Speak Your Mind 2 Cents at a Time

Discussion

  • Forums
    • Labor Economics
      • Labor
      • Outsourcing/Insourcing
        • Immigration
        • Professional Labor Issues
    • Macro Economics
      • Fiscal, Monetary Policy
      • Global
      • Tax Policy
      • Trade Policy
      • Wall Street
    • Politics
      • Congress
      • Executive Branch
    • Admin
  • Home
  • Reads
  • Discuss
  • RSS Feed
  • Twitter
  • About
  • Contact
Home Blogs manfrommiddletown's blog

New blog posts

  • Sunday Morning Comics - MisFortune Cookies Edition
  • Must Read Posts for March 13, 2010
  • Friday Movie Night - China Currency Manipulation & Make Markets Be Markets
  • Lehman Brothers - If you are experiencing Déjà vu, that's because it is GroundHog Day!
  • U.S. Manufacturing Technology Consumption Bounces 26% Off Bottom
  • Economic Warfare? Europe versus Wall Street
  • Let's Chat Labor Productivity
  • Why we are headed into Depression
  • First Iceland, then the World
  • Creating State Level Jobs Programs: A Jobs Insurance Supplement
more

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

Navigation

  • User Guide
  • News aggregator

Recent Comments

  • I'm On It
    56 min 11 sec ago
  • maybe you can find out what exactly that money was about
    4 hours 37 min ago
  • JPMorgan Bails Out Lehman After They Brought it Down?
    8 hours 10 min ago
  • Geithner Was Behind the Wheel on This Also
    10 hours 10 min ago
  • that is a butt load of money
    11 hours 46 min ago
  • recession, depression lets call the whole thing off
    12 hours 34 min ago
  • Frightened at the Top
    13 hours 10 min ago
  • Strange Happenings
    14 hours 31 min ago
  • Calling all rebels.
    23 hours 21 min ago
  • Participate? Oy!
    1 day 23 min ago
  • I think there is a huge cultural problem
    1 day 20 hours ago
  • Interesting tidbit of info about Wellpoint (Anthem BC)
    2 days 13 min ago
  • understand, the never ending "percent change" tunnel vision
    2 days 1 hour ago
  • no surprise here
    2 days 1 hour ago
  • There's a better plan
    2 days 2 hours ago
  • 1zackly
    2 days 6 hours ago
  • there you go
    2 days 15 hours ago
  • The crimes against the people diet
    2 days 15 hours ago
  • the thing is
    2 days 17 hours ago
  • Many pieces on the transaction tax
    3 days 1 hour ago

Poll

Populist Du Jour

  • Why we are headed into Depression

Vox Populi

  • Holy Cow Batman! SIGTARP Barofsky says U.S. on the hook for $23.7 Trillion in bail out!
  • Subprime meltdown over; now comes the bad news
  • The Deflationary Recession of 2009?
  • The Panic of 2008: a turning point
  • Text of Bail Out Act Before Congress - TAKE ACTION NOW!
  • U3 and U6 Unemployment during the Great Depression
  • Scientist Who Laid Ground Work for Nobel Prize Drives a Bus, Can't get a Job

Active forum topics

  • China bidding on yet more American Infrastructure - this time High Speed Rail
  • Dodd to release Senate Financial Reform Bill Monday, a few details now
more

Atlanta Fed's Macroblog

  • A look at the income-side estimates of growth
  • Consumer credit, credit availability and The Credit CARD Act
more

BEA

  • U.S. International Trade in Goods and Services, January 2010
more

iMFdirect

  • This Time It’s Different
  • Something New Out of Africa: A Global Player
more

CBO

  • Estimate of the Budgetary Effects of the Senate-Passed Health Bill
  • Presentation on “Fiscal Policy Choices” to the National Association for Business Economics
more

powells

GAO

  • GAO-10-365, Electronic Government: Implementation of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006, March 12, 2010
  • GAO-10-464R, Revitalization Programs: Empowerment Zones, Enterprise Communities, and Renewal Communities, March 12, 2010
more

Instapopulist

  • China bidding on yet more American Infrastructure - this time High Speed Rail
  • Dodd to release Senate Financial Reform Bill Monday, a few details now
  • Manufacturing & Trade Inventories & Sales for January 2010
  • EU to bail out Greece
  • Retail Sales - February 2010
  • A Letter Worth Reading from Senators Bernie Sanders & Jim Webb
  • Goldman Sachs Made $55.7 million on Build America Bond Fees
more

Calculated Risk

  • Weekly Summary and a Look Ahead
  • Senator Dodd's Financial Overhaul Bill to be introduced Monday
more

Naked Capitalism

  • Links 3/14/10
  • Book (and Other Hot Topics) Chat on FireDogLake
more

Paul Krugman

  • Stupid Smelly Mutants
  • Israel, China, America
more

dorgan

The Baseline Scenario

  • Underwater Second Liens
  • What’s Wrong with the Financial System in Eight Minutes
more

Eyes on Trade

  • GTW Director Lori Wallach Appears on Bloomberg TV
  • Watch Lori Wallach LIVE on Bloomberg TV at 2pm
more

Econbrowser

  • Whither the Yuan?
  • The challenges ahead for world oil
more

TradeReform.org

  • Ag Trade Adjustment Program Launched
  • Stupak urges Congress to repeal NAFTA
more

EconomPic

  • Consumer = Unhappy, but Spending
  • The Changing Face of American Debt
more

Economist's View

  • "US Sprawl is not a Market Outcome"
  • links for 2010-03-13
more

Economy in Crisis

  • Restoring Leadership in U.S. Solar Manufacturing
  • Green Trade Deficit
more

The Big Picture

  • Lehman News Round Up
  • Your Mind and Your Money
more

Credit Slips

  • De-Detour: CDS Nudity on the Exotic Fringe
  • Debt and the People, Part I: The Cold
more

Manufacture This

  • “The trouble with China’s economic bubble”
  • Tight times for mill workers in Maine, Part 5
more

Alan Tonelson

  • Trade deficit dips; exports, imports fall
  • Obama Launches New Exports Push as Trade Deficit Narrows -- but Hard Road Ahead
more

black swan

Beat The Press

  • The Post Is Terrified That Japan Will Become Less Crowded
  • The New York Times Doesn't Like Social Security
more

Nouriel Roubini's Global EconoMonitor

  • The Rise of Sovereign Risk in Advanced Economies
  • RGE's Weekly Roundup
more

Zero Hedge

  • YTD and MTD CDS Heatmaps
  • De[constructing/functing] Ernst & Young
more

The Mess That Greenspan Made

  • The New Road to Serfdom - Part 63
  • CityCenter contractor to file $492 million suit
more

Styles Checks-125 x 125- Animiated Marvel Banner

Tax Justice Network

  • Evening Standard: How the tide turned against tax avoiders
  • Slim (non-) taxes in Mexico contribute to disaster
more

Brad Delong

  • Worth Reading #2: Senator Ted Kaufman (March 14, 2010)
  • Worth Reading #1: Ressentiment Watch: Best Non-Economics Thing of the Day (March 14, 2010)
more

New Deal 2.0

  • Remake/Remodel
  • March 12
more

Steve Keen's Debtwatch

  • Final T-Shirts
  • Everyone’s a critic…
more

Pension Pulse

  • Another Great Depression Coming Soon?
  • Will the Real Debt Crisis Please Stand Up?
more

Angry Bear

  • 'Republican' resurgence comes from shift in 65-85 year old group
  • O.K., let's just think about this budget thing for a while, Part I
more

Robert Reich

  • The Sham Recovery
  • Bail Out Our Schools
more

Noslaves.com

  • Finally, a State saves money by hiring Americans and getting rid of H-1Bs
more

Financial Armageddon

  • Running Out of Steam
  • Where the Hiring Is
more

CIT goes into a pre-packaged bankruptcy.

Submitted by manfrommiddletown on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 13:44.
  • CIT
  • commerical real estate
  • economic recovery package

The WSJ has a story up (HT to Calculated Risk) about the impending bankruptcy at CIT.

The company plans to file for bankruptcy in New York as soon as Sunday night or early Monday, said people familiar with the matter. CIT is poised to enter bankruptcy with enough creditor support to approve its reorganization plan and shorten its stay in Chapter 11 ...

... CIT asked bondholders to vote on a prepackaged bankruptcy plan, which would give most bondholders new debt it values at 70 cents on the dollar, and all the equity in a restructured company.

On the up side, it great that this thing is going into a prepackaged bankruptcy. We've seen this at GM and Chrysler. It allows them to emerge stronger. So in the long term the economy will be better off for this, but.....

As Keynes said, in the long term we are all dead.

Last summer, I wrote about the dangers inherent in a CIT bankruptcy.

Something like 70% of our economy is based in consumer spending. One of the things that keeps this running smoothly is a process called factoring.

Basically factoring works like this. Let's say that I am a shoe store. I buy shoes from the factory and sell them to customers. When I buy shoes I have a period of time (let's say 60-90 days) to pay shoe factory.

If you are the shoe factory, you don't really want to wait 60-90 days for payment. But you have an option, rather than waiting 60-90 days for me to give you cash, you can sell that obligation to a third party. So you get cash from the factoring company, and I pay that factoring company the money instead of you. You are going to get less than the full amount of money that I owe you, but you are going to get that money now. This means you can buy supplies to buy more shoes now with money in hand instead of having to take out a loan. This is the factoring process.

This is what CIT Group does for thousands of small retailers, including franchisees (like Dunkin' Donuts). CIT Group has a serious problem, they are on the verge of bankruptcy.

What would this mean?

In an environment where there is little credit available to retailers, it would mean that they would be unable to get product into stores. So basically empty shelves, potentially into the holiday season. And, of course empty shelves will mean that many businesses will be forced to close. That means more people out of work in the retail industry.

Look, it's great that CIT is entering a prepackaged bankruptcy. It will likely mean that this process will be resolved in a little over a month instead of a year. The problem is the timing. Which sucks...... seriously.

We know from what happened at GM and Chrysler that even prepackaged bankruptcies involve shutting down parts of the business while the books are sorted out, and the reorganization plan is put into place. At GM the process from start to finish took 40 days, but the shutdown at factories ran just under twice that.

If CIT is forced to cut volume on their factoring business, that is going to make Christmas this year interesting. It would be interesting to know if retail stores have their inventories for Christmas in. I can't say for certain, but I doubt it. Also GE Capital could pick up some of this business. The bottom line is that total collapse is unlikely, however it is likely that this will create difficulties for smaller retailers. And that ripples out.

We are nearly through the worst of the collapse in residential real estate, but a second bubble in commercial real estate is just beginning to burst.

Just today, guidance came out from the FED, FDIC, and other agencies that commercial real estate is a problem for smaller banks that were less laden with crap mortgages in the residential sector.

Now if we have a situation were retail sales are already weak, and small stores start going out of business. That will put pressure on the owners of these properties who rent them out. If they find that they can't keep paying the mortgage, then they default, and it becomes the banks problem.

Load the banks down with that, and suddenly they're insolvent. So it becomes the FDIC's problem. And the FDIC is bankrupt, and wants to up rates for solvent banks.

There's a whole load of problems here, and we are about to see how far things ripple out from CIT, into commercial real estate markets, and the smaller banks that are loaded down with them.

  • manfrommiddletown's blog
  • addthis
  • Email this Blog entry
  • 2 points

$2.3 billion down the drain

Submitted by RebelCapitalist on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:16.

Why are we giving equity holders the benefit of the doubt and allowing this zombies to continue?

The longer we wait in ignoring the insolvency problem the longer we will linger in purgatory and risk losing billions and billions of taxpayer money.

RebelCapitalist.com - Financial Information for the Rest of Us.

Not yet rated.
  • reply

how bad can this get?

Submitted by Robert Oak on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 14:49.

To me this is more the real economy too. Just when I go out driving, I see rows and rows of commercial real estate "for lease", all sorts of Mom&Pops, no more.

So, just how badly will CRE affect the overall economy is what I want to know, how bad is this tsunami, a 10 footer or a 100 footer?

Not yet rated.
  • reply

CRE Market was valued at $6.2 trillion

Submitted by RebelCapitalist on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:01.

According to this WSJ article:

* $1.7 trillion in commercial mortgage loans.

* $100 billion in CMBS in jeopardy.

Today, there were 2 very big investors that warned about CRE: Wilbur Ross and George Soros.

All the fundmentals are heading in the wrong direction with no sign of slowing down: occupancy rates, rent and cap rates.

Is there some sort of accumulative effect to these crisis and the question is whether the Fed and Treasury have spent their last bullets on the subprime mortgage crisis?

RebelCapitalist.com - Financial Information for the Rest of Us.

Not yet rated.
  • reply

Residential market

Submitted by Robert Oak on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:04.

vs. residential and the business implied there, i.e. construction, contractors, finance people all lost their jobs when it imploded...

but intuitively it would seem that CRE would imply many more jobs due to the customers leasing/owning CRE would be employers themselves.

Rated 5 by 2 users. see individual ratings
  • reply

There are all kinds of multipliers in the opposite direction

Submitted by RebelCapitalist on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:14.

does that make sense? The other thing is municipal and state governments that rely heavily on real estate property taxes. The reduction of property values reduces assessed values used to calculate property taxes.

RebelCapitalist.com - Financial Information for the Rest of Us.

Not yet rated.
  • reply

Geithner says not to worry about CRE

Submitted by RebelCapitalist on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 08:00.

There you have it. Treasury Secretary Geithner says not to worry there is nothing to see here:

“I don’t think so,” Geithner said, when asked whether commercial real estate could set off another banking meltdown. “That’s a problem the economy can manage through even though it’s going to be still exceptionally difficult.”

......

“You can say now with confidence that the financial system is stable, the economy is stabilized,” Geithner said. “You can see the first signs of growth here and around the world.”

RebelCapitalist.com - Financial Information for the Rest of Us.

Rated 5 by one user. see individual ratings
  • reply

It's hard to say

Submitted by manfrommiddletown on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 15:33.

Sadly, economists have held on to a physics based understanding of the economy, equilibrium and all, when in fact much of the time a biological view is better.

For example of we think of the economy like a gas, we can figure out the new equilibrium that will be established if we heat it or cool it off. (Charle's law) A molecule of gas is a molecule of gas, etc. The units are homogenous.

The economy isn't that way. It's organic. If a small firm making cakes goes out of business, it's unlikely to have a huge downstream impact.

If a firm making specialized components for transmissions does, it can lead to the short term shutdown of auto plants downstream. Even if the economic value of production of this firm and the cake firm is the same, the multiplier effect is likely to be higher in the latter case.

The economy is less like molecules of gas, and more like a living thing. Cut out the kidney, and the patient dies without constant external intervention. Cut off a finger and the impact is less drastic. Firms are not homogenous.

The problem with the bankruptcy of CIT isn't the damage it has alone, it's the absence of another firm able to provide the same specialized service on the same scale in the short to medium term.

Rated 5 by one user. see individual ratings
  • reply

Post new comment

The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
Input format
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <b> <address> <blockquote> <br> <caption> <center> <code> <dd> <del> <div> <dl> <dt> <em> <font> <h2> <h3> <h4> <h5> <h6> <hr> <i> <img> <li> <ol> <p> <pre> <span> <strong> <sub> <sup> <table> <tbody> <td> <tfoot> <th> <thead> <tr> <u> <ul> <tr>
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Image links with 'rel="lightbox"' in the <a> tag will appear in a Lightbox when clicked on.
CAPTCHA
This question is for testing whether you are a human visitor and to prevent automated spam submissions.
Image CAPTCHA
Copy the characters (respecting upper/lower case) from the image.

Syndicate

Syndicate content

Add to Technorati Favorites

Privacy Policy

Google Delicious Yahoo! Bloglines Newsgator MSN AOL Rojo Newsburst RSSFwd
© Economic Populist 2008-2009