Home

The Economic Populist

Speak Your Mind 2 Cents at a Time

Discussion

  • Forums
    • Labor Economics
      • Labor
      • Outsourcing/Insourcing
        • Immigration
        • Professional Labor Issues
    • Macro Economics
      • Fiscal, Monetary Policy
      • Global
      • Tax Policy
      • Trade Policy
      • Wall Street
    • Politics
      • Congress
      • Executive Branch
    • Admin
  • Home
  • Reads
  • Discuss
  • RSS Feed
  • Twitter
  • About
  • Contact
Home Forums Labor Economics

New blog posts

  • A Brief History of Securitization
  • Cuomo Takes on The Money Party
  • PIGS and the ouzo effect
  • Sunday Morning Comics - Yeah Yes Men Edition
  • Must Read Posts - Sometimes you just can't say it better for 02.06.10
  • Friday Movie Night - 25 Million Pounds
  • Is Residential Real Estate a Ticking Time Bomb?
  • It's time to live within our means once again
  • U.S. Manufacturing, Hire America & Buy American
  • Sunday Morning Comics - Hayek vs. Keynes Edition
more

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

Navigation

  • User Guide
  • News aggregator

Recent Comments

  • Hi I am from Slovakia - a
    8 hours 14 min ago
  • Oh yes
    11 hours 8 min ago
  • Dylan Ratigan show today
    11 hours 45 min ago
  • SIGTARP is "the tell"
    13 hours 42 min ago
  • Actually,
    13 hours 51 min ago
  • What surprised me about that interview
    13 hours 57 min ago
  • True, but they are only making matters....
    15 hours 30 min ago
  • Part of the problem is the dire straits of states and cities
    16 hours 16 min ago
  • automatic graph scaling
    18 hours 38 min ago
  • Thanks
    19 hours 22 min ago
  • Euro being heavily shorted now
    19 hours 41 min ago
  • blog post idea
    19 hours 53 min ago
  • Great Post
    19 hours 59 min ago
  • there goes what's left of savings and retirement funds
    21 hours 4 min ago
  • FYI
    21 hours 10 min ago
  • Let's sure hope so
    23 hours 3 min ago
  • Greece default doesn't matter yet then it does ...
    1 day 38 min ago
  • Actually the biggest waste of government money
    1 day 54 min ago
  • We're In Holding Pattern Until 2012..
    1 day 3 hours ago
  • When is the MSM going to point out we are LOSING the best jobs?
    1 day 4 hours ago

Poll

Populist Du Jour

  • Holy Cow Batman! SIGTARP Barofsky says U.S. on the hook for $23.7 Trillion in bail out!

Vox Populi

  • Holy Cow Batman! SIGTARP Barofsky says U.S. on the hook for $23.7 Trillion in bail out!
  • Subprime meltdown over; now comes the bad news
  • The Deflationary Recession of 2009?
  • The Panic of 2008: a turning point
  • Text of Bail Out Act Before Congress - TAKE ACTION NOW!
  • Scientist Who Laid Ground Work for Nobel Prize Drives a Bus, Can't get a Job
  • 2009: Recession vs. Recovery (Update 4)

Active forum topics

  • How important is Greece?
  • Economic Stress hits new record
more

Atlanta Fed's Macroblog

  • Is good news hidden in bad employment numbers?
  • Southeast businesses offer insights on capital spending plans
more

iMFdirect

  • Getting Ready to Join the Eurozone Club
  • More to Do on Financial Sector Tax, Says IMF’s Lipsky
more

CBO

  • Visit to Morehouse College
  • CBO Estimates a Federal Budget Deficit of $434 Billion in the First Four Months of Fiscal Year 2010
more

powells

GAO

  • GAO-10-248, Highway Research: The Second Strategic Highway Research Program Addresses the Four Required Areas, but Some Anticipated Research Was Not Funded, February 5, 2010
  • GAO-10-25, Troubled Asset Relief Program: Treasury Needs to Strengthen Its Decision-Making Process on the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, February 5, 2010
more

Instapopulist

  • Economic Stress hits new record
  • The Federal Reserve's Exit Plan is Another Bank Bail Out Pig Fest
  • How important is Greece?
  • China Eastern Jiangsu Provence raises minimum wage, wow $140 a month!
  • Bank Failure Friday - one this week, 200 failures expected this year
  • Dr. Robert Reich on financial reform
  • Banksters ready to side-step new credit card rules
more

Calculated Risk

  • BLS: Few Job Openings in December
  • NFIB: Small Business Owners Report "shortage of customers"
more

Naked Capitalism

  • Links 2/9/10
  • Head of BIS Calls for Bigger Liquidity Buffers
more

Paul Krugman

  • Euro perspective
  • Know Your Deficits
more

dorgan

The Baseline Scenario

  • Elizabeth Warren Calls Out Wall Street
  • Whose Fault?
more

EPI

  • Unemployment drops to 9.7% despite more job losses
  • Unemployment rate drops to 9.7% despite more job losses
more

Eyes on Trade

  • Exciteable Young Men
  • Exciteable Young Men
more

Econbrowser

  • Letting the EGTRRA and JGTRRA Provisions Expire
  • Reactions to last week's economic data
more

TradeReform.org

  • CO-Gov: Dem leading
  • CO-03: Salazar not a sure bet
more

EconomPic

  • The Death of the Workforce
  • Market Recap (2/08/10)
more

Economist's View

  • "Fine Print, Deceptive Pricing, and Buried Tricks"
  • "The Inexact Science of Economics"
more

Economy in Crisis

  • Why Layoffs are Not Beneficial to Companies
  • A Growing Concern
more

The Big Picture

  • 5 Most Expensive Pieces of Art
  • Food Stamps – The Great Recession’s Soup Lines
more

Credit Slips

  • Bankruptcies Maintain Similar Month-to-Month Rate in January
  • Monetary Policy and the Housing Bubble
more

Manufacture This

  • The Early Shift
  • The Future of Manufacturing…Part Five
more

Alan Tonelson

  • More on Obama's Export Delusions
  • Domestic Manufacturers Urge Obama to Back Up Tougher China Talk With Immediate Currency-Manipulation Bill Push
more

black swan

Beat The Press

  • Jingoism and the Budget Deficit: Using Any Tactic to Advance the Budget Cutting Agenda
  • Social Security Benefits Will Be Paid, It is the Law
more

Nouriel Roubini's Global EconoMonitor

  • Roubini Bloomberg Interview on Sovereign Debt and U.S. Outlook
  • RGE's Weekly Roundup
more

Zero Hedge

  • S&P Revises Outlooks on Citigroup, Bank Of America To Negative From Stable
  • First Greece, Now Spain: Moore Capital, Brevan Howard, Paulson As Well As JPM And Goldman Implicated In Spanish CDS Rout
more

The Mess That Greenspan Made

  • On the Fed's exit strategy
  • Tuesday morning links
more

Tax Justice Network

  • OECD: involve civil society and developing countries in peer review process
  • Football premier league seeks elite opt-out
more

Brad Delong

  • links for 2010-02-09
  • Pretending that Nothing Is Wrong When Your Hair on Fire Does Not Send a Good Signal...
more

Steve Keen's Debtwatch

  • Interview on Switzer TV
  • Vote for Ignoble/Dynamite Economics Prize
more

New Deal 2.0

  • Bill Black to BofA Chairman: Racist bank adviser in Germany must go
  • Straws in the Wind: The 5 Supremes
more

Pension Pulse

  • Greece Implements Pension Reforms
  • Drop in Dividends Leaves Pensions Exposed?
more

Angry Bear

  • Limit Banks' Proprietary Trading? Links Worth Noting on Possible Reprise of Glass Steagall Maybe
  • AN IMMODEST PROPOSAL
more

Robert Reich

  • Obomanomics One Year Out
  • 2010 Rancho Mirage Speakers Series
more

Noslaves.com

  • Economy in Crisis Calls Out Bill Gates and Lobbyist H-1B Propaganda
  • Jobs Bill
more

Financial Armageddon

  • The Next Phase of My Evaluation
  • The Next Phase of My Evaluation
more

Those unemployment numbers

Submitted by midtowng on Wed, 11/25/2009 - 10:41.
  • Labor Economics
  • unemployment claims

The weekly unemployment claims were very positive today.

(Bloomberg) -- The number of Americans filing claims for unemployment benefits fell last week to the lowest level since September 2008 as the economic recovery encourages companies to fire fewer workers.
Initial jobless claims declined to 466,000 in the week ended Nov. 21 from 501,000 a week earlier, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The number of people collecting unemployment insurance dropped in the prior week, while those getting extended payments also declined.

Great news all around, right? Wrong.
The non-seasonally adjusted numbers tell a far different story.

Weekly Initial Claims (SA): -35,000
Weekly Initial Claims (NSA): +68,080

Continuing Ins. Unemployment (SA): -190,000
Continuing Ins. Unemployment (NSA): +187,642

Some of the decline in claims last week may have resulted from the way the government adjusts the data to smooth out seasonal fluctuations, economists said.

No, ALL of the decline, and more, resulted from the way the government adjusts the data to smooth out seasonal fluctuations.

The non-seasonally adjusted numbers are the real numbers, where one unemployment claim equals one person on unemployment.
As for people on the federal government's extended benefits:

EUC 2008: +16,370

‹ Metro Unemployment - Otober, 2009 State Unemployment Maps for October 2009 - Unemployment increases in 29 States ›
  • addthis
  • Email this Instapopulist Forum topic
  • 1 point

revisions

Submitted by Robert Oak on Wed, 11/25/2009 - 12:50.

I was writing up weekly initial claims and saw a huge pattern. Every week the BLS would claim "big drop" but they would revise the previous week significantly upward so it looked like a "big drop" every week, when without revisions it would have looked like it was increasing to flat.

And as we could see when they finally had to come sort of clean on the October report, nope, unemployment is rising.

I do go with the seasonal, but we have noticed multiple divergence from the NSA to SA this year. It should all iron out in a year average but there are a lot of things happening this year which are not normal.

They have a huge regression analysis algorithm for I went looking into what are the current SA assumptions and I could not find them, just the monthly elements listed.

That's strange for these should at least give an element window into what is in their seasonal adjustments algorithms.

I imagine it's something about seasonal summer help but it should be temporary hiring for the holidays.

Anyway, bottom line is these weekly initial claims have turned into headline cheerleading and just have way too much noise in them to tell me much.

I think the entire BLS data collection needs to be ravamped. It's 2009 and it just doesn't give an accurate snapshot, esp. these weeklies, on what is going on in the U.S. labor market.

Rated 5 by one user. see individual ratings
  • reply

Post new comment

The content of this field is kept private and will not be shown publicly.
Input format
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Allowed HTML tags: <a> <b> <address> <blockquote> <br> <caption> <center> <code> <dd> <del> <div> <dl> <dt> <em> <font> <h2> <h3> <h4> <h5> <h6> <hr> <i> <img> <li> <ol> <p> <pre> <span> <strong> <sub> <sup> <table> <tbody> <td> <tfoot> <th> <thead> <tr> <u> <ul> <tr>
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Web page addresses and e-mail addresses turn into links automatically.
  • Lines and paragraphs break automatically.
  • Image links with 'rel="lightbox"' in the <a> tag will appear in a Lightbox when clicked on.
CAPTCHA
This question is for testing whether you are a human visitor and to prevent automated spam submissions.
Image CAPTCHA
Copy the characters (respecting upper/lower case) from the image.

Syndicate

Syndicate content

Add to Technorati Favorites

Privacy Policy

Google Delicious Yahoo! Bloglines Newsgator MSN AOL Rojo Newsburst RSSFwd
© Economic Populist 2008-2009